  inteller Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK | All Your Base Are Belong To Us! get ready for some really "top notch" service hahahahahaha
so much for competition. -- "WHEN THE LAUGH TRACK STARTS THEN THE FUN STARTS!" | |
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| Re: All Your Base Are Belong To Us! said by inteller :so much for competition. Comcast, Time Warner, and Adelphia didn't compete anyway, they just sliced L.A. into 3 seperate, non-overlapping, service areas.
who has the last 2% I believe Charter, Cox, and a few independent companies service the last 2%. »www.lacity.org/ita/pdf/CableBroc···ov03.pdf -- For official Adelphia support, contact Adelphia. I'm just here for advice... | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: All Your Base Are Belong To Us! Well, I sure hope that they take over the Valencia market (5 miles outside of Los Angeles city limits). Valencia is pretty much a Comcast Island surrounded by TimeWarner. | |
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| Re: All Your Base Are Belong To Us! said by en102 :Well, I sure hope that they take over the Valencia market (5 miles outside of Los Angeles city limits). Valencia is pretty much a Comcast Island surrounded by TimeWarner. You will get your wish. All the Comcast properties in Southern California are being turned over to Time Warner as part of the deal. -- For official Adelphia support, contact Adelphia. I'm just here for advice... | |
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| said by inteller :get ready for some really "top notch" service hahahahahaha so much for competition. »www.latimes.com/news/opinion/edi···itorials
Critics of the Adelphia deal complained that letting cable operators consolidate their hold over local markets would make it harder for competitors to enter those markets. They also warned that local regulators would have a tougher time protecting against abuses because they wouldn't be able to compare the local franchise with those of nearby communities.
Such complaints, however, overlook what's happened to the communications market over the last decade. With rare exceptions, cable operators haven't competed against each other. Instead, they've battled other providers, including satellite operators and, soon, telephone companies (which will be driven to compete in the cable market, whether consolidated or fragmented, by the cable operators' entry into phone service). -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page | |
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| Re: All Your Base Are Belong To Us! said by TK Junk Mail : » www.latimes.com/news/opinion/edi···itorialsCritics of the Adelphia deal complained that letting cable operators consolidate their hold over local markets would make it harder for competitors to enter those markets. They also warned that local regulators would have a tougher time protecting against abuses because they wouldn't be able to compare the local franchise with those of nearby communities. Such complaints, however, overlook what's happened to the communications market over the last decade. With rare exceptions, cable operators haven't competed against each other. Instead, they've battled other providers, including satellite operators and, soon, telephone companies (which will be driven to compete in the cable market, whether consolidated or fragmented, by the cable operators' entry into phone service).
You know, you criticize MSN for being too liberal and the LA Times can be just as bad. 
As for competition, I have it between 2 cable companies where I live and the prices are not only lower BUT service is better than in the one provider area. The editor who wrote that tripe probably has no experience with living in a 2 cable provider area. | |
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join:2001-06-19 Duluth, GA | Re: All Your Base Are Belong To Us! Do you know how rare it is to live in an area where you can choose your cable provider?
I don't know, but I'd like to find out.. any takers? -- "Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp | |
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| I don't know about 2 cable providers in the same market, but according to the GAO, 10% or less of U.S. consumers even have a choice of more than one provider (cable, telco, whatever).
I would imagine the amount of people that have a choice of more than one cable provider is easily in the low single digit percentage. | |
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? said by pnh102 :Even if every jurisdiction had service from different cable providers, it isn't like they would be competing with each other. Khm that is the problem. | |
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? said by tiger72 :precisely It's irrelevant if TW has 100% of the cable market or 50% shared w/ comcast - they don't compete and never will. Which is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S, right. In the US, non-competitive cable markets, gov-granted monop[olies in 2006?
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? said by kamm :Which is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S, right. In the US, non-competitive cable markets, gov-granted monop[olies in 2006? Which is precisely why any government at any level should be disallowed from interfering in any way, shape or form with any company trying to deploy a competing service. -- Tancredo 2008! | |
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? You are absolutely right! Instead, we should have a connection to our homes for every single provider of telecommunications and broadband service in the area! Damnit, if I want to switch back and forth, why is the government stopping me from doing it?? -- "Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp | |
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? said by ieolus :You are absolutely right! Instead, we should have a connection to our homes for every single provider of telecommunications and broadband service in the area! Damnit, if I want to switch back and forth, why is the government stopping me from doing it?? Actually it'd be quite easy to achieve: shared network access. It's that simple.
Of course, not with a corporate giants-owned FCC and a Bush-ridden government - both are totally rotten, corrupt, we don't have any chance to see any meaningful action. | |
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? said by kamm :Of course, not with a corporate giants-owned FCC and a Bush-ridden government In all the situations in which companies have come along to try and and fix this problem, it has been local governments who are hell bent on stopping AT&T (in their service areas) and Verizon (in Montgomery County, MD) from deploying their competing services. How is the Federal government responsible for that? -- Tancredo 2008! | |
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? said by pnh102 :said by kamm :Of course, not with a corporate giants-owned FCC and a Bush-ridden government In all the situations in which companies have come along to try and and fix this problem, it has been local governments who are hell bent on stopping AT&T (in their service areas) and Verizon (in Montgomery County, MD) from deploying their competing services. How is the Federal government responsible for that? Perhaps by not ruling at federal level...? | |
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? said by kamm :Perhaps by not ruling at federal level...? The Federal Government could pass a "national franchise" law but this would most likely be overturned by the courts. However, it is perfectly legal to do what Texas and Indiana have done at the state level and remove all locally-imposed barriers to entry. -- Tancredo 2008! | |
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| Re: What is the Big Deal Here? said by pnh102 :said by kamm :Perhaps by not ruling at federal level...? The Federal Government could pass a "national franchise" law but this would most likely be overturned by the courts. However, it is perfectly legal to do what Texas and Indiana have done at the state level and remove all locally-imposed barriers to entry. Why is that when it comes to illegal eavesdropping, anti-Constitutional measures, wiping out entire countries/regions without any sane reason this government act with the speed of the light but when it comes to regulating corrupt corporations the same government suddenly become almost paralized, lose its 'legal creativity' and become very concerned about possible legal problems...? | |
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| said by pnh102 :said by kamm :Which is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S, right. In the US, non-competitive cable markets, gov-granted monop[olies in 2006? Which is precisely why any government at any level should be disallowed from interfering in any way, shape or form with any company trying to deploy a competing service. Contrary to this government rather should enact laws about mandatory competition, laws against monopolies, price-fixing etc.
That's the role of the government.
Unruled market leads to monopolies. It's been proven many times. | |
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join:2004-10-26 North Andover, MA | Re: What is the Big Deal Here? Well, actually most monopoly's occur because of government intervention. Regardless, every market is different, and regulation IS required when you're dealing with markets based off of unduplicatable assets. | |
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| I am not sure what to think I am surprisingly bummed out about this. From what I understand, I am loosing my 8/768 line through Comcast for $44 per month and getting a 8/512 for $69 through Time Warner. Although, if Time Warner can deal with the influx of students every fall, it might actually be worth it.
With Comcast, my service is perfect April-August. As soon as school starts, I see speeds drop out and pings to my favorite game servers jump from 10-20 all the way up to 1000-2000ms during the evenings. Comcast didn't give a sh*t about it either, so if TW can provide a more stable service, more power to them. -- Sam Kislevitz//Look//For//The//Oven//http://www.difs.tk --The Revolution Begins-- | |
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| I love this quote, and it absolutely drives me batty "Although it is currently the largest cable operator in the region, with customers from Ojai to Temecula, Adelphia has been notorious for poor customer service and sparse product offerings, particularly in the years leading up to its 2002 bankruptcy filing."
The LA times has consistantly bashed Adelphia at every opportunity.
Leading up to the bankruptcy, yeah, Adelphia had MAJOR issues, but, in the 4 years SINCE the bankruptcy, yeah, 4 years LA Times, that's NOT just yesterday....VAST IMPROVEMNTS HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
Adelphia has invested almost 1/2 a billion in SoCal infrastructure and services, launched services that no one thought Adelphia would ever be able to launch, consolidated 30 to 40 small hubs, all built on different technologies, into a single, cohesive system, with redundant regional transport, Brought on line a MODEL call center which has won INDUSTRY Awards for the level of service THEY BRING TODAY.
They have DOUBLED the number of internet subscribers, quadrupled the available bandwidth in almost all areas, launched Docsis2.0 system wide, VOD, digital simulcast, and...even though VoIP isn't offered, the ENTIRE system is VoIP ready.(meaning that all it needs is the softswitch and SIP gateway) And the whole system rides on PRIVATE, FULLY REDUNDANT, Multi ring Transport!!!
Truly, the $3500 per subscriber that TW is paying, is a BARGAIN for what they are getting. The system Adelphia has in SoCal exceeds anything TW has in any other general market. (TW is doing on some test markets, what Adelphia has done for it's entire million subscriber SoCal market).
Do trouble spots still exist? Absolutely. Have rates gone up? Sadly, yes, but they are STILL in line with industry averages.
But...troubles have been SIGNIFICANTLY reduced, and...the services available today, with the exception of VoIP, are state of the art. The number of formal complaints is down significantly, the "time to resolution" of "Major" outtages is envied by the industry, The new Ontario call center is award winning and employs 1000 residents, And to top it all off....TW was SO impressed by the manegement and operational model Adelphia adopted POST BANKRUPTCY, that Time Warner is Adopting it.
The LA Times is living in the past, granted, the years leading up to the bankruptcy were bad years, but...that was then, this is now. Tell me, LA Times, aside from not offering a branded VoIP service, just what the heck are you still bashing Adelphia for? Would it hurt you THAT much to say, in addition, that Adelphia has made major strides since then? | |
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| Re: whats is goin to happen with the Moxi Dvr In Anaheim I had an Adelphia tech out this weekend to add a second Moxi to my service. He was very chatty about Time Warner and generally felt they were going to do good things. Regarding what happens to Moxi he claimed TW had already stocked up on a huge amount of the new boxes they use and the techs were told that new installations would be with those as well as replacements for defective units. He did specifically say they were told there were no plans to change everyone, it was simply going to be slip streamed in. | |
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