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| Re: Another limitation Very few phones on the market WILL do the things you talk about without some kind of manipulation. So try rephrasing your comment to include a slightly more believable argument. | |
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A900MHz Fan
join:2004-07-12
Mitchell, SD
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| Re: Another limitation said by theeinstein  :Very few phones on the market WILL do the things you talk about without some kind of manipulation. So try rephrasing your comment to include a slightly more believable argument. Yup, my XV6800 will do much more than the iPhone, but I did have to load a custom WM6.1 OS on it. After that process everything was fairly well ready to use though.
All of it is totally legal software wise and acceptable under the Verizon TOS.
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud | Re: Another limitation The XV6800 costs 75% more than the iPhone and at least my VZ so-called unlimited data plan which isn't unlimited adds $45/mo (50% higher than for the iPhone).
For some people tethering isn't worth that extra cost. | |
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A900MHz Fan
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Mitchell, SD
| Re: Another limitation said by Skeedatl :The XV6800 costs 75% more than the iPhone and at least my VZ so-called unlimited data plan which isn't unlimited adds $45/mo (50% higher than for the iPhone). For some people tethering isn't worth that extra cost. My 6800 cost me $250 with a 2 year contract extension. What is the contract life for the iPhone?
What is the price plan for 2100 anytime minutes, unlimited data, text, pix, and navigation?
Granted that 6800 users do pay more, but they do have more available to them as well.
Neal | |
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@conversent.net | Yes, but iPhone users have Mobile Safari and Windows Mobile users have the crappiest mobile browser known to man. | |
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aztecnology
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Murrieta, CA | Re: Another limitation said by MobileIESucks :
Yes, but iPhone users have Mobile Safari and Windows Mobile users have the greatest mobile browser known to man - Opera.
I agree... | |
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dv
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Goleta, CA | Re: Another limitation they also have the most damn logical and system level needed operations of copy/cut/paste.
whoever decided not to put that into the new iphone aughta be fired and stripped of any benefits.
what the hell? | |
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FLengineer
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join:2007-06-26 | Re: Another limitation MattE you forgot the best phrase of the instructions.
"it will do some internal magic" | |
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join:2007-11-16
Endicott, NY
| I just gave up on my XV6700 for an iPhone. I find that the iPhone is worth much more than the xv6700 in terms of making the most features with the most usable format.
Now, with my xv6700 I could do many things, including remotely controlling my computer over the interface, I still haven't found an equivalent option for the iphone (if someone knows of one I'd appreciate it).
But for use as a phone, and not some sort of bulky modem with a screen, the iphone IS the better option. I barely used the xv6700 as a phone. It was so bad that I took to simply not carrying it as a phone anymore and borrowing my wife's cell when I needed to make a call. It was a PDA that could access the cellular networks.
I am a tinkerer. I love messing with the UI, and nuts and bolts of a computing product. The xv6700 was great for that... but like I said, when it comes to actually getting things done and doing it well, the iphone is a better option.
I still own my xv6700, I might sell it if I decide to jailbreak my iphone and develop my own apps for it. Or I might turn it into a touch panel controller for a car. It isn't bad hardware, just that the implementation of it doesn't even come close to what the iphone offers. | |
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fcisler
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Riverhead, NY
| »www.searchoctane.com/blackjack-2···ther.htm
Blackjack II. 6 steps. NO "unlocking" required. No special software.
Believe it or not - my Blackjack I (original) was the same.
Guess what? The AT&T 8525 was very simple too.
The AT&T Tilt...well what do you know? It also tethers...easily.
The iPhone is the minority here...most AT&T smartphones WILL tether very easily.
I also don't need to use a SOCKS proxy (somethings do NOT work through) and actually have valid DNS to use.
Knowing Apple, their theory was who needs to tether when we already GAVE you this wonderful phone? Pitiful... | |
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join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD
| I dunno, My Nokia N95 does pretty much everything the iPhone does (plus much more) and you can buy them unlocked for $500 (and they're occasionally on sale for $400).
Yes, I realize that's more than the $199 for the iPhone, but if you choose a (or currently have) a less expensive plan than the one you're forced to purchase with AT&T, I suspect it works out to be cheaper in the long run (and you can use any service you like from any provider). Plus, I remember reading somewhere that an unlocked iPhone (8 gig) will actually cost more than an N95 (but I don't swear to the accuracy of what I read; I'm sure folks will jump in to straighten me out...  ).
And yes, the display on the N95 is smaller and it doesn't have a touch screen (which I don't want), but I also haven't had to hack anything to run the many, many apps out there for the Symbian OS and I seem to be able to do more with it than my friends who have iPhones (but they're happy with their purchase so that great!). | |
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Skeedatl
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| Because for a lot of people the iPhone is far superior to their WM counterparts for the services they do use.
There are those like me who have had multiple WM handsets, all of which sucked ass for lots of different reasons, tiny screen, frustratingly tiny buttons, horrid browsers, shitty email clients, etc.
And thankfully, for those who want to stay with WM, there are plenty of handsets to choose from, although in the US the iPhone outsells all of them combined.
The iPhone or any other device isn't going to be all things for all people. | |
| | SHABAZZ
join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA
| My thought exactly! I use the Samsung Instinct witch is a lot better than the iphone. Samsung’s phone can be tethered, it’s cheaper, Sprint’s plans are cheaper and the PCS network is way better than ATT’s GSM crap. And did I mention 3G is almost everywhere with Sprint! | |
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
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| what people seem to forget, is that this isn't an "everyone needs to have it" phone, it's a "for these people, and those people, and its only our second phone ever, so we're still figuring it all out" phone. I am going to get a iPhone3g because my iBook is too heavy to take with me everywhere.
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| UGH "Here's the basic rundown:
- Jailbreak your iPhone 3G
- Install 3Proxy and Terminal
- Create an ad-hoc Wi-fi network using your laptop
- Join the network with your iPhone
- Find the iPhone's IP address
- Open Terminal and run the proxy program
- Open Safari on your iPhone and open a web page
- Configure your browser to use the proxy"
Enough about the rundown!
Just find a McDonalds or a Starbucks and grab the WiFi all ready.
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud | Re: UGH Or buy another phone if tethering is the end-all be all. | |
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Skeedatl
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The Cloud | Re: UGH That's what I do. | |
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avd706
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| Re: UGH said by Skeedatl :That's what I do. And pay twice for mobile internet. | |
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Skeedatl
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The Cloud | Re: UGH And worth every penny to avoid shitty WM. | |
| Pentaxian
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West Milford, NJ
| I'm generally happy Amazed! That's how I feel about the iPhone compared to such phones like, The Dare from Verizon.. But I do like the Crackberries, just not as much as this iPhone.
There are some issues but so far they seem tiny compared to not even having the functionality in the first place.
Take for instance - Microsoft's pulling email forwarding to other similar type providers such as gmail and yahoo.. MS is being jerks about it yet the workaround was really simple and I now have Hotmail on my iPhone by using the Izymail service. It works perfectly! | |
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Tomek
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Brooklyn, NY | BlackBerry Plug into USB port, launch Blackberry software, change to COM from USB, start "dial-up" connection, browse. Easy enough.
It's not 3G, but what's the point of having it with limits?
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| I have the iPhone... And for most people they don't need\want to tether. AT&Ts 3G is rather lame anyway. I'd say if you want to use 3G go out and pay $130 off of eBay for a broadband card, then grab a GoPhone account and add unlimited data for $20 a month. Then put the SIM in the aircard, change the APN to wap.cingular and go.
Believe it or not, this is much simpler than trying to cobble together the iPhone hack. This is from a person who just pwned his iPhone after upgrading it to 2.0 firmware, uses it with T-Mobbile (first-gen) and doesn't use his iPhone for his main line.
Sure, the iPhone is cool and all, but I can get more things done at less cost with my HTC Mogul (6800) on Sprint. I got SERO so I pay for my whole cell bill what AT&T users pay for their data plan. An equivalent plan to mine on the iPhone would cost $40 + $7 (extended nights and weekends, but they aren't quite extended enough) + $20 (unlimited messaging) + $30 = $97 + taxes and fees per month. Not. Worth. It.
Especially when Sprint voice quality is great and with WMWiFiRouter I have three ways to tether my Mogul, at high speeds, with no finnicky stuff required: cable, Bluetooth and WiFI.
So it boils down to this: if you're an average Joe, you'll love the iPhone. If you're an uber-nerd who will tinker with stuff for hours on end, you'll love the iPhone. Otherwise, go with something else. | |
| | thevorpal
join:2007-11-16
Endicott, NY
| Re: I have the iPhone... I understand that SERO is a good deal, but that is definately moving the goal posts. 90% of the users out there don't have access to SERO so using it as a comparison of prices doesn't make for a good starting point.
I get a discount through my employer with ATT, Sprint, and Verizon. However, when comparing plans it is best to include the true public rate and not the 'nudge nudge, say no more' plans. | |
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| Re: I have the iPhone... said by iansltx :Fair enough. Simply Everything is $30 more than a regular voice plan, however it includes messaging as well as data, and earlier n\w minutes, and navigation, and TV... For a total value $57+ above AT&T's base plan. Plus, if you get the $100 unlimited plan you're doing about $57 better than a comparable AT&T plan, per month. Believe it or not, the SE plans are very competitive...and I'm not talking SERO anymore You cant tether with the SE plan by itself... it is only $10 more to tether your phone with that plan, but for the same thing that i have which is the mogul with $99 SE plan and the $10 PAM add-on plan.. my total bill was a little under $135... my friend with the iphone showed me his $220 bill for the similar, except he cant tether i don't think it's worth it
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join:2008-05-03 | Why Bother? The whole purpose of me getting the Iphone in the first place was to eliminate the cost of and trouble of lugging a laptop around.
I also chose the Iphone because I was already a long time Cingular/AT&T customer. | |
| | JonHB
join:2007-09-18
Huntington Beach, CA
| Re: Why Bother? said by timuze :The whole purpose of me getting the Iphone in the first place was to eliminate the cost of and trouble of lugging a laptop around. I also chose the Iphone because I was already a long time Cingular/AT&T customer. If you eliminated your laptop by using the iPhone, then I hate to say it, but you weren't doing much on that laptop! If it is just for e-mail, then any smartphone can do that. | |
| | EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| said by timuze :The whole purpose of me getting the Iphone in the first place was to eliminate the cost of and trouble of lugging a laptop around. I also chose the Iphone because I was already a long time Cingular/AT&T customer. The whole point of the iPhone is to gradually eliminate the computer environment in favor of an environment entirely controlled by Apple, so that makes sense. | |
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a333
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join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY
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| Re: Why Bother? Controlled by Apple? Ha! Good one there...
Other than the app 'store' what parts of the iPhone are actually controlled by apple? The app store was to make sure people didn't just write crappy code that bricked your phone, and swamp Apple's tech support. Heck, half the apps on Apple's 'store' are free.
Where else do you see control by apple? I'll concede that the iPhone doesn't mount as a hard drive, so you can't drag n'Drop music, but Apple's not forcing you to use the iTunes store, just your software. Got WMA/other file types? Just convert them in iTunes and sync them to the iPhone. It's not like apple's holding a gun up to our heads, telling us to buy their music.
Also, the data plan's expensive since, in case you haven't noticed, the iPhone is one of the few phones out there that isn't fudged up with AT&T's walled garden software. The data plan on the iPhone lets you bypass AT&T's overpriced multimedia services. Music? Use the Pandora/AOL Radio app. They're free! Video? You have YouTube, and a Flash-capable browser. IM? Get AOL/Yahoo IM apps. Google Talk? Use the Gmail chat on the browser. Maps? You already have auto-updating GPS, with superior mapping software built right in. IMHO, I honestly think the iPhone works for me, without the need to tether, since it does half the stuff I'd otherwise lug my laptop around for. So, if you want to tether, rock on, but you're better of just using the iPhone and not hauling a huge laptop along.
And in any case, the iPhone is also for people who don't want to be locked to CDMA when they travel abroad.I had to go through a debacle to even try roaming with Sprint when I was going abroad in June, and ended up switching to AT&T. Within a day, I was able to get Intl. Roaming enabled on my handset, and even if I didn't want to pay ATT's roaming rates, I could just unlock my phone and use the local provider (Airtel) SIM card. Very nice... | |
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Cobra9777
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join:2002-09-28
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| No limitations I have a HTC 6800 on Sprint running a custom ROM with WM 6.1. This thing is amazing... GPS, tethering, push email, Skyfire browser, etc, etc. The Sprint EVDO Rev-A network is amazingly fast. I average 900 down, 400 up, when tethered over Bluetooth.
WM is a wide open environment. You do have to tinker to get the device to do what's important for you, just like you would your PC. If you are willing to invest some time, you will be extremely satisfied with the versatility and performance of a WM device. On the other hand, if you want it to do iPhone-like things out of the box, you will be very disappointed.
The fact that you have to jump through small flaming hoops to tether on an iPhone is not surprising. It does what it's advertised to do, and does it extremely well (in exchange for a pricey rate plan). As soon as you venture outside that finite set of capabilities, you are no longer playing to the iPhone's strength and appeal. | |
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gabbaaaaaa
@rr.com | Serious question. Where does the TOS say anything about 5GB? I searched for all of the obvious and find nothing. | |
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Jetoni
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| Re: Serious question. DATACONNECT PLANS
DataConnect plans may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified LaptopConnect (PC Data) Cards and eligible AT&T-certified customer owned and maintained (COAM) devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The parties agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 gigabytes in a month. Prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service.
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bobolito
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| Re: Serious question. said by Jetoni :DATACONNECT PLANS DataConnect plans may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified LaptopConnect (PC Data) Cards and eligible AT&T-certified customer owned and maintained (COAM) devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The parties agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 gigabytes in a month. Prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service. Read the heading of that paragraph again. It says DATACONNECT PLANS, not iPhone plans. Therefore, the 5GB limit does not apply to the iPhone.
So let's go back and ask once again where does AT&T state there's a 5GB limit? They don't have one for the iPhone! | |
| wcnghj
join:2008-05-01 | tethering Cough PDANet Cough
Works with Palm and WM. | |
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steevio
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join:2003-06-22
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| Re: tethering Shhhhhhh, what are you trying to start here 
Let it be our secret man
Got my Treo750 for $200 unlkd off of ebay, plus my "data" plan for $30 / month, unlimited, watchin Sat TV, listenin' to Sat Radio, oh, did I mention GPS maps for N.America, W.Europe and most of E.Europe, and a TON of apps that just run like a dream.
Realy, who gives a F#$@ about the Ifon, whether be it 3G, 4G, or wah' eve'
Peace, n' out..... | |
| | | boblowell
join:2002-07-06
Carlsbad, CA
| Tethering You guys, it's possible to tether these phones if you break some rules and AT&Ts/Sprint's/Verizon's terms of service.
But the two phones I'm familiar with that go up against each other (the iPhone 3G on AT&T and Sprint Instinct) obligate the legitimate user to not tether.
It's only if you're really tethering(using the phone as a modem for your laptop) that you're going to care about things like EVDO Rev A or HSUPA.
If you're just web-surfing on the phone itself, you won't see much difference over phones with lower network connection speeds.
And I think the cell phone carriers are chincy (my opinion, they can run their businesses however they want) in how they are limiting the use of these phones with their Terms of Service for these phones, specifically.
Now I thought AT&T was also against tethering, and that its Media Connect package was really just for web surfing on the phone. Maybe I'm out of date on this one.
I know Sprint has embraced tethering for many phones (I have the $40/month package and a Motorola V3M). But they specically exclude it on the Instinct. So I won't get the Instinct.
And Verizon's come around and allows tethering. But you have to pay closer to $60/month for the priveledge.
'Seems to me like AT&T and Sprint (and maybe Verizon) think they want to become like cable TV companies and make us pay for content they control. And they think that we all want to pay quite a bit for having this in a nice-looking GUI that's responsive. Maybe some of us do.
Tethering really flies in the face of this business model. If all the carriers allow legal tethering and start to compete on its price, they won't be controlling at all the way customers use the mobile Internet (I don't think they should control it) and the free market will drive down the costs they can charge. There won't be any fancy ways for them to market this, either. It will just come down to price and speed. And the data market will become much more like the voice market.
If we're going to have a discussion about tethering, I think at least one worthy discussion is to discuss the fastest tethering phones that don't require you to violate the Terms of Service of your cell carrier.
Just my $.02
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