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And CBA tells customers not to wait for analog pass-through boxes
10:02AM Saturday May 31 2008 by KathrynV
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Continuing to worry that many people don’t understand the transition from analog to digital television, staff members of the FCC are going to be spending time in retail stores today to educate the public as to what it’s all about. This education is going to be taking place in North Carolina, a state that’s only one hundred days away from pre-transition testing. The staff members will be at stores like Best Buy and Radio Shack to do DTV demonstrations and to sign people up for converter box coupons.

People are hoping that there will be analog pass-through boxes on site but there’s been no confirmation of this. These boxes are designed to allow analog signals to continue to be picked up without having to unplug the box, a feature that had been recommended by the Community Broadcasters Association (CBA) because it will allow people to receive signals from low-power stations. However, these boxes are in short supply and the CBA is now advising people to get any DTV converter box, not just one with an analog pass-through, as the latter may not be available before the transition.

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Mactron
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Gotta love them...

The Congress and the FCC can be proud they bungled this one completely. Here the local PBS is LPTV and a analog pass-through box is necessary. Thanks guys...
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Re: Gotta love them...

Is there something prevent low power transmitters from converting to digital?

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said by openbox9 See Profile :

Is there something prevent low power transmitters from converting to digital?
Only the fact that most of these low power stations make no money at all and can't afford the new equipment.
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Re: Gotta love them...

Money availability is an obvious limitation for even some of the full power transmitters. I remember reading several articles a couple of years ago about how some broadcasters couldn't afford the equipment upgrade costs. Outside of public supported broadcasters, what other types of broadcasters can afford frequency licensing fees, tower rental, and equipment purchase/maintenance costs if they aren't generating revenue?
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said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Is there something prevent low power transmitters from converting to digital?
Only the fact that most of these low power stations make no money at all and can't afford the new equipment.
Time also isn't on their side. Even if you had the cash right now, this weekend, you wouldn't get your transmitter converted to digital before the transition.

There's a HUGE lead time on antenna production (each antenna is custom made, 1 at a time). Never mind the crew availability to mount the thing on the tower (assuming the tower is strong and sound enough to support the addtional load of the antenna). If you've got to replace the tower that'll take even more time.

Don't forget you've got to get the transmitter made as well as getting the crews to install and test it and maintain it.

If you're not ready to flip the switch now, it is questionable to whether or not you'll make it by next Feb.

Most high power stations (if not all) should already have a partial digital signal at the very least. They'll be required in the next couple of months to ramp up to full power and provide the same foot print that their analog signal had.
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Re: Gotta love them...

ke4pym

They have known about this for years. So time should really not be an issue. It is a little like saying you are late with your taxes (IRS) becuase you did not have the time. We all know when taxes are due.
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said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Is there something prevent low power transmitters from converting to digital?
Only the fact that most of these low power stations make no money at all and can't afford the new equipment.
We have a low power station here, WHDN-LD, which broadcasts entirely in digital and not in analog. I've never watched it, though, so I don't know what it carries (low-powers aren't on FiOS, and my OTA TVs are analog, and don't have any way to be upgraded)

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said by Mactron See Profile :

The Congress and the FCC can be proud they bungled this one completely. Here the local PBS is LPTV and a analog pass-through box is necessary. Thanks guys...
Granted it is not an ideal solution but an A/B switch works fine for me.

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Ungood

Grandma and aunt bought their boxes last Saturday but the only digital station they are picking up (both live pretty close together) is PBS. Over analog, they can pick up 1 PBS, 1 CBS, 2 NBC, and 1 ABC, but when using the box: nada. And yeah, these stations are already broadcasting in digital.

Are there amps out there that may help bring it in? If they miss their weatherman, we'll be burying them come February.
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said by jlsamsel See Profile :

Grandma and aunt bought their boxes last Saturday but the only digital station they are picking up (both live pretty close together) is PBS. Over analog, they can pick up 1 PBS, 1 CBS, 2 NBC, and 1 ABC, but when using the box: nada. And yeah, these stations are already broadcasting in digital.

Are there amps out there that may help bring it in? If they miss their weatherman, we'll be burying them come February.
Ok stations have thier digital signals on a secondary channel. Once their analog signal is shut off they will be moving their digital station to wher their analog station curently is. Thus granny will get all those stations. by law you must be able to get in what you get now.
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Re: Ungood

Not necessarily. A lot of channels will keep their current digital channels, because the old channels are seen as unsuitable for DTV or are in the 700Mhz band that was sold off.

Some channels will be moving back, though- most likely to make a difference in terms of propagation are the high-VHF, channels 7-13.
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Re: Ungood

said by EPS See Profile :

Not necessarily. A lot of channels will keep their current digital channels, because the old channels are seen as unsuitable for DTV or are in the 700Mhz band that was sold off.

Some channels will be moving back, though- most likely to make a difference in terms of propagation are the high-VHF, channels 7-13.
Once again it's the LAW that if you can get a station in now you HAVE to be able to get the station in once the transition happens. There is no grey area. If there are people that can't get in a channel they used to then that station is in violation.
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Re: Ungood

Stations can just shrink the coverage area of their analog station. In Maine, WMTW used to have its transmitter on Mount Washington, but determined that there was no way digital broadcasts could cover the whole service area, so they shrunk the service area by taking their transmitter off of the mountain. Now a bunch of people can't get WMTW in any way, shape, or form.

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Re: If it ain't broke...

What's screwed up besides the fact that this should have been done years ago?
BF69

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Re: If it ain't broke...

The original cut of date was Dec 31 2006, but People for the Ethical Treatment of Old Farts protested and it got put back.

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May 31st, @11:55AM

FCC's Pure FUD

All boxes have analog passthru already designed into them - their bios simply has that feature set on disable. so the "shortage" is artificially created by box makers who don't want to increase their overhead costs by BIOS reflashing all those boxes already manufactured and sealed in their packaging.

so the FCC is lying to consumers to buy the boxes anyway, to burn through the backlog of analog passthru disabled bios boxes, till fresh bios enabled boxes can come to market. It's kind of like being forced by your local 7-11 to buy the nearly expired milk, by hiding the fresh milk way in the back of the fridge. Only it's not some inept local store manager doing it, it's your own government doing it - to cover their own bureaucratic asses for telling the poor store manager to stock up on the wrong milk to begin with.

I was just in Radio Shack today where the manager admitted to me he expects to see analog passthru enabled versions of the exact same boxes he's already selling now, by mid to late July'09. He said very few people are informed about this analog passthru issue, so they are buying the boxes regardless.

Kudo's to KathrynV for finally reporting the issues on this subject correctly.

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Re: FCC's Pure FUD

Yep, and the cable companies want to rip us off even more thanks to the FCC's stupidity.

I have this to say about cable and the FCC:

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June 1st, @06:26PM

said by Packeteers See Profile :

All boxes have analog passthru already designed into them - their bios simply has that feature set on disable. so the "shortage" is artificially created by box makers who don't want to increase their overhead costs by BIOS reflashing all those boxes already manufactured and sealed in their packaging.
There is ***NO*** conspiracy to disable analog pass-thru in the current crop of converters. There's no so-called BIOS that can be flashed to enable this feature. Our government felt that analog pass-thru was not an essential feature, and there was some fear by manufacturers that analog pass-thru would reduce badly needed signal strength by 2-3 decibels...so the feature was not mandated in the coupon eligible converter boxes.

A small handful of models currently offer analog pass-thru, though, and LG Electronics will be releasing a new version of both the Insignia and Zenith converters with this feature in the weeks to come....but there is NO WAY to add this feature internally to existing converters.

A couple of A/B switches, or a signal splitter and an A/B switch, will enable those who still want to view any remaining analog stations to do so...that's the setup I currently have with my Zenith DTT900 converter.

DataDoc
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I'm on DirecTV with a 5 year old TiVo

I'll wait.
openbox9

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Re: I'm on DirecTV with a 5 year old TiVo

Obviously you aren't affected unless you're watching locals OTA.

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Broadcasting power?

I remember seeing a page a couple of years ago that showed that the local digital channels were broadcasting at significantly lower wattage than their analog counterparts. With concerns about the all or nothing aspect of digital, are there plans to bump up the wattage next February or did those sites just have wrong info?

BTW I am already all digital.
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Re: Broadcasting power?

Initially most digital stations had to start out on lower power, and have gradually been granted the right to increase their power once any potential interference is cleared up. This should all be settled by February.

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Why are they at electronic stores?

Most people who visit those stores are tech-savvy and most likely know about the change-over or already have an ATSC capabale TV.

How about visiting places like the local library, the grocery store, heck even the train or bus station. I have a feeling you'd do a lot better getting the word out there and finding people who need converter boxes.
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May 31st, @10:27PM

I need some help

Hi guys, I live in so California. and live in an apt. I got all the things i need to keep my TV as we don't need cable Dtv is just fine.. The Apt Manager said " Hey you have to take down that antenna" Now I did look on the FCC website and looked into if i was aloud to have it.. But the Apt Manager said well that law does not apply because you do not have sole rights to the Porch, Well i think i do being that i live on a corner home 2nd floor and where i had it was a dead end past my front door.. They made me remove it from the railing.. I went out and got a stand and a pipe and they tried to come and take it away this time! I said so i am not aloud to have TV and they said "If that's what you need yes"

Is there anything i can do?
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Re: I need some help

You should contact the FCC ASAP and get their opinion. They ought to be able to clarify things for you and possibly to educate your landlord as to what he can and can't do.

Their number is 1-888-CALL-FCC.
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