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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Duh What do to the telcos think will happen when they charge $7.50 for Caller ID, $1.50 how dare you not want to be in the phone book fee and the awesome you aren't using enough long distance fee. | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
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| Re: Duh Cable is cheaper depending on what you order, who your provider is and how long the promotion is for. Which with some providers they'll let you renew that promotion after it expires. Also I don't see Cable any higher than Telco's especially VZ when it comes to Cable. We've already seen them hike their rates several times. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| You forgot 3.95 for DTMF. Having worked on telco switches I know that pulse dialing is about 10x more expensive and requires much more than a single card that can decode DTMF.
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join:2008-01-16
Toronto, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| I think that PPPoE in DSL is useless. I guess that it was planned as a temporary solution to move dial-up customers, but kept way too long now. Seriously, what's the point of having it these days? I have both cable and DSL and I find pppoe to be a weakness of DSL.
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
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| Re: Duh ATT requires PPPoE they have it built into the router/modem. But thats only after you install their AT$T Yahoo! Software. | |
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join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL | Re: Duh I have never installed AT$T's Yahoo software. I have installed my DSL, my parents & a few of my friends. | |
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Madness
Wish I Knew
join:2000-01-05
Quincy, MA
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| That "not using enough long distance fee" really p'd me off. Verizon waived the, "honor of having their long distance service on my line" fee (w/ VZEncore), but then had the nerve to start charging me $2 (later upped to $4) every month if I made less than those amounts in long distance calls.
So I ported my number to a prepay cellphone, switching my DSL to dryloop & weaseled a contract of them to keep the same $29.95 rate I was paying before w/ the Encore bundle.
As for the DSL itself, I'm satisfied w/ it. Been trouble-free for as long as I can remember. A router maintains the PPPoE so I don't even deal w/ the "logon" anymore. And then I'm not on P2P/Torrents downloading 300GB/month of crappy movies or other garbage so the 3Mb is more than adequate. | |
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
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| Re: Duh Not a Floridian but I was in FL in Vero Beach in 2004.
I was at my parent's house helping clean-up after Hurricane Francis.
I can tell you the very last utility that was restored after BOTH Francis AND Jeanne (I didn't get out in time) was cable by a long shot.
Think about it. Does cable maintain an adequate full-time infrastructure work force? I am pretty sure most of the Subs that Comcast relied upon were making at least triple what CC was paying them doing clean-up after the storms.
Granted I am sitting here up North with my FIOS triple play which has not been down once in over a year since the install (even during power outages. I have a UPS connected to the ONT so I have yet to need VZ's battery.). But I have been there and done that Supergirl and wonder if you are gonna come crying about how long it took Cox to restore service after the next big one hits you.
Think about it. I hope you have a lot of minutes on your cell phone contract. You will need them. | |
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join:2001-11-25
Chicago, IL
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| About Time People Realize ...that DSL sucks. It's slow, those line filters are a hassle to install, PPPOE is annoying and pointless.
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'Boarrrd
Premium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
·Comcast
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| Re: About Time People Realize said by jchambers28  :that to get dsl you have to be close to a co to get the service where as cable you can be anywhere as long as the lines are are available. In my area 1.5 is the fastest that you can get which is a joke I have a 12meg connection with cable threw cox and beats the hell out of dsl any day of the week period. That and have a CO that is equipped for it, I live in a very rural area in Northwestern California, and besides being 19,000 cable feet from our AT&T (former SBC,former Pacific Bell) CO, it isn't even equipped for DSL. We have Comcast HSI (formerly Adelphia here) and it rocks, good thing because it's the only broadband we can get. The nearest DSL equipped CO is 8 miles south of me in Ukiah, the "big" town in Mendocino County at 16,000.
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join:2004-05-27
Brooklyn, NY | Re: About Time People Realize said by DJ_Kismuth :...those line filters are a hassle to install... wat | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | You lack the technical skills to plug a phone into a box and plug that box into a wall? | |
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| Re: About Time People Realize said by bogey780 :You lack the technical skills to plug a phone into a box and plug that box into a wall? Do you lack reading comprehension skills?
He said DSL filters were a hassle to install, not that he couldn't install them. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: About Time People Realize I understand his comment just fine.
What's the hassle about plugging a box in the wall? I wouldn't brag about how that's making my life difficult. PEople would think I was mildly retarded. | |
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N10Cities
Is it quittin' time yet?
join:2002-05-07
Podunk, AR
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| Re: About Time People Realize said by bogey780 :I understand his comment just fine. What's the hassle about plugging a box in the wall? I wouldn't brag about how that's making my life difficult. PEople would think I was mildly retarded. When you have to crawl behind furniture or reach under beds to attach the filter, it is a hassle....not that big of one, but one nonetheless...  | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: About Time People Realize I thought it was a hassle replacing my old cheap cable splitter that was good for uni-directional cable with one that was good for bi-directional. It actually took longer as the old splitter had corroded some around the connectors and I had to get out my pliers PLUS I had to unscrew it from the side of my house where it was mounted PLUS I had to detach the ground screw as it was also being used as a grounding block. It was a hassle....not that big of one, but one nonetheless... | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: About Time People Realize said by funchords :said by espaeth :Really? Yeah. It was 2 weeks from order to live, but the road during those two weeks was quite bumpty indeed. Click on the Verizon DSL review that I left. Things that haven't changed: - They don't know what service they're offering to you until they hook it up - Their repair service operators are not allowed to think for themselves - The Westell 327W modem they shipped out has a UI that would make Rube Goldberg proud The Comcast HSI people can run circles around these Verizon clowns (excepting the executive floors of the Comcast tower, of course). It's amazingly difficult to find someone from Verizon with both a pulse and a brain! Yeah because comcast tech support is any better.
Last nite I was at a very rich clients home replacing computers. It took 6 calls to comcast to get them to understand that the arris EMTA was having a problem with the data side. The 6th call I got a very good woman , who reset the data side and sent a new configuration file to the modem , all worked. At least with Verizon I don't have to make 6 calls to get a good tech , takes maybe 3, usually 2.
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The Robot Devil
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join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
clubs: | Re: About Time People Realize Customer service sucks everywhere. The best service is the one that hardly goes down, so you don't have to deal with them.
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Robb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Hillsboro, OR
·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: About Time People Realize said by MysticGogeta :Customer service sucks everywhere. I don't agree with this, however...
said by MysticGogeta :The best service is the one that hardly goes down, so you don't have to deal with them. ...I definitely agree with this.
I've had really good luck with Comcast support -- with the exception of the Sandvine thing which was an exception to the trend. I really do believe that I'm lucky to live in an area where support has been good and has remained good. I understand that many Comcast areas have terrible customer support issues.
The JD Power satisfaction surveys are essentially relevant. I'll accept that "Customer service sucks everywhere" is widely held opinion. I don't share it. But if it helps us to agree somewhat, I'll offer the idea that "some suck less than others."
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
Premium
join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
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| Re: About Time People Realize Problem in my area which was the same when I had Time Warner was their severe lack of communication. When I had issues (Disconnects mainly) and they would come out do some work and it happened again and again so I would get another one out here and he would be clueless what the previous tech did.
I wish they would write notes or something to get issues solved faster this is probably costing them money. Luckily the last 7-8 months or so its been great. I rarely see one disconnect a month and its usually for less then an hour.
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gigahurtz
Premium
join:2001-10-20
Palm Coast, FL | I just made the switch back to Cable from DSL ... and I'm happy I did. DSL was slow, PPPoE was a pain and it was more expensive. I now have a faster connection and better pings.
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JoshC1
join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC
| Like I say to people who bash DSL... ...It all depends on the area where you live. For people who live in the sticks, cable may not be available and DSL is the perfect solution for these people. By the way, you do not have to be THAT close to a CO to get dsl service.
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Another thing, DSL is a Digital Subscriber Line. Unless there is HEAVY saturation at the DSLAM (which cable can also have this problem), DSL is an isolated network, which means you don't NORMALLY have to deal with bandwidth hogs who think that downloading 200 GB a month (which steals bandwidth from other paying cable customers) is ok. For example, in my city we have Charter Communications. Charter is TERRIBLE here. Just about EVERYONE I know (excluding a few) NEVER get their advertised speed. Granted that those on DSL have the same problem, my area here (Windstream serves our area for DSL) has pretty good DSL. The connection is stable and I normally see 75-80% of my download speed (pings are AMAZING as well when gaming). DSL is not as slow as you guys make it to be. | |
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Steve Mehs
Go Sabres
join:2005-07-16
| Re: Like I say to people who bash DSL... quote:
DSL is not as slow as you guys make it to be.
Sure it is. Dead Slow Line is the new dial up. I have the choice of 3Mb DSL from Verizon or 15Mb Cable from Time Warner. There is no comparison, DSL is a half dead turtle limping for life on the German Autobahn. On sites that support the speed I can download at, Microsoft, iTunes, I can download at 95%+ of my allotted bandwidth.
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join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC | Re: Like I say to people who bash DSL... What the heck is wrong with a 3 meg connection? You need a 15 meg connection for what reason again? To download music? That's a bit overkill, no offense. | |
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join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| Re: Like I say to people who bash DSL... said by JoshC1 :What the heck is wrong with a 3 meg connection? You need a 15 meg connection for what reason again? To download music? That's a bit overkill, no offense. You forgot the /s
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join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC | Re: Like I say to people who bash DSL... ??? I don't get it =-/ | |
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Go Sabres
join:2005-07-16
| That's an awful and disgusting attitude to have. 15Mb is too slow and you’re defending 3Mb? Without demanding more, we'll never get more. How many HOURS would it take to download a few years worth of Microsoft updates on that crappy connection? How many HOURS would it take to download a season of CSI with that crappy connection? With high def video streaming on the horizon, more and more people having home networks, 15MB is barley acceptable in this day and age, and 3Mb, we’ll you might as well just leave the internet.
Questioning my need for more speed is just absurd, not demanding more speed is just plain wrong. DSL is the new dial up, AND DON’T YOU FORGET THAT!
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JoshC1
join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC
| Re: Like I say to people who bash DSL... Dag gummit if people would just read my posts! I was replying to your need to download music; you never mentioned any of that other stuff. Besides, I wasn't putting down cable and its speeds. You are the one whose bashing DSL. It's great that you can get 15 meg, but what about others who only have one choice? DSL is great for those who don't have a choice or have a crappy cable ISP. | |
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join:2001-12-11
Lompoc, CA
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·DSL EXTREME
| bandwidth hogs?
So you believe the ads about that from, what a DECADE AGO? No such thing...one uses a service that one pays for...period. I have unlimited DSL and I use it to watch movies or whatever online and legal. So no cable to throw away money on...now if you want to talk over-priced cable (as in TV) fees are what are truly overpriced.
And BTW, if you really feel there is such a thing as a bandwidth hog...what about cable TV subscribers who watch TV pretty much 24/7? Don'taugh I know many Seniors who have their TV on either almost or all day, every day. They use the bandwidth from that side of the service and nobody ever whines about "fair use" and extra fees or cancelled service. | |
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join:2001-12-11
Lompoc, CA | Re: Like I say to people who bash DSL... btw, I realize the TV side is a constant stream and different but the point is there is still overhead to the use of the TV side. | |
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JoshC1
join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC
| Re: Like I say to people who bash DSL... Not as much as you are implying. Besides bandwidth hogs DO exist BTW. Just because you pay some $100 or less fee for your internet connection doesn't mean that you have the right to download 500 gigabytes worth of data every month. If you think that is wrong, then why not buy the same pipe for yourself? I'm sure you don't want to spend thousands of dollars for the same amount of bandwidth. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by JoshC1 :Another thing, DSL is a Digital Subscriber Line. Unless there is HEAVY saturation at the DSLAM (which cable can also have this problem), DSL is an isolated network, which means you don't NORMALLY have to deal with bandwidth hogs who think that downloading 200 GB a month (which steals bandwidth from other paying cable customers) is ok. Tell that to me who's qwest dsl was slower than dialup during peak hours.
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join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC | Re: Like I say to people who bash DSL... Did you read what I posted =)? I said it depends on the area served. I am defending DSL and you guys are running it into the ground =(. | |
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jimbo48
join:2000-11-17
Hayward, CA
·EarthLink
| Taking a look at the "distance" charts and what to expect form XDSL makes me cringe. I couldn't maintain my employment if I had ADSL of 768/128 max. or a SDSL of 768/768. Taking the 80% of max as expected actual performance, add on the corporate security needs and I've got about 50% of this MAX throughput. Nothing worse than telling a customer you're on line with to wait while your browser is still pulling down information that should have been there a LOT quicker. Or a n email server that can't download that ppt file the client just sent you. I had 1.5/256 a long time ago and it hasn't improved much in 5 years (at least). I can now get 2.3/300 on a good day and 1.6/256 and lower on the bad days. Even if Cable were heavily congested it would still deliver faster throughputs (up and down)than my available DSL offerings. The bad thing about cable (in my area) is their "don't give a damn" attitude and constant rate hikes for services never delivered. Granted DSL is a good solution(better than Cable) IF you happen to be close enough to the CO, the infrastructure is in good repair and using quality equipment, but not everyone has that luxury. Better technology solutions are slow to come for too many areas of the United States yet are needed (along with a laundry list of other more pressing needs) | |
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join:2001-02-02
Camp Verde, AZ
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| Some of us need DSL I'm lucky enough to be hooked into the CO and get a steady 5 down, 750Kb up. I know Cable now blows this away, but cable is not offered in my neighborhood. DSL is the only real choice I have.
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| LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| Re: A race between parasites. said by Mr Matt :  I do not believe that the Telco and CATV industries really see broadband as part of their core business. They seem to view the broadband business as a peripheral revenue stream, with their primary objective of providing service with no new wires. Telcos use Data over Voice and CATV Providers use DOCSIS. Both industries appear to be trying to do broadband on the cheap. I only see companies that provide Data, Voice and Video over a broadband transport medium like fiber, serious about broadband technology. Huh? Internet is pure profit. No content providers to pay. There is still plenty of bandwidth to squeeze out of both cable and DSL. Docsis 3 is right around the corner. I think it will be viable for some time. | |
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IndyDoug
join:2003-10-26
Indianapolis, IN | DSL runs on old technology The telcos are behind the times. DSL is their attempt to remain relevant. Nobody really needs land lines anymore...including DSL. | |
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JasonX
join:2008-04-08
Houston, TX
| I love my DSL I'm really surprised to see so much DSL bashing. Yes, you can't get it everywhere, but if you CAN get it, it's excellent at least in my experience.
I've had no more than two or three outages in 10 years of having DSL (and I'm quite serious about that, my connection has been remarkably reliable). My speeds are rock solid and never vary, regardless of the time of day. I have AT&T DSL Elite, so my upstream speed (768 kbps) is as good as or better than anything I can get through Comcast. My download speed is 6Mbps, and frankly I was happy with 3Mbps when I had DSL Pro, so cable's higher downstream speed is not a selling point for me. DSL costs much less, at least in Houston. I don't understand the complaints about PPPOE. My router keeps me logged in, so my connection is just as plug-and-play as a cable connection, from the user perspective. Is anyone these days, especially on this site, seriously not using a router that logs them in? As for installing filters: is this really a complaint? It takes all of five minutes, and you do it once and never do it again. Big deal.
So, besides download speed (and possibly ping, for which I have no basis for comparison), I can't imagine how a Comcast cable internet connection could possibly make me any happier than what I have now with AT&T DSL. | |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | People don't care about the format They don't care if it's Cable or DSL. They care about how much they get for how little they pay. | |
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join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA
·Vonage
·Comcast
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| Re: People don't care about the format said by battleop :They don't care if it's Cable or DSL. They care about how much they get for how little they pay. strongly agree. i'm paying for broadband and want a broadband experience @ the lowest price. we've had both dsl & cable isp. both were prefectly adequate----while one costs a lot more (aka comcastic). | |
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A race between parasites.