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No thanks to the FCC and incumbent providers...
(old news - 04:57PM Wednesday Feb 06 2008)
tags: coverage · business · bandwidth
Back in 2006, we interviewed Drew Clark of the Center For Public Integrity, an organization that's trying to map the real state of media ownership and broadband deployment via their Media Tracker database, much to the chagrin of incumbent providers.

Clark's push has seen significant and sustained opposition from the FCC, who won't release the full scope of the data they possess because they claim it would cause "competitive harm" to providers. Apparently we're to believe incumbents aren't already aware where competitors offer service before investing billions in a product like FiOS.

The FCC of course insists that all is well when it comes to broadband penetration. "Our analysis indicates that more than 99% of the country's population lives in the more than 99% of Zip Codes where a provider reports having at least one high-speed service subscriber," recently claimed the FCC. The agency has long determined that just one broadband customer in a zip code means that zip code is wired for service.

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Rosy FCC statistics (and bubbly NTIA reports) hide the fact the government has very little idea how wired America is for broadband. Providers have lobbied hard to prevent accurate broadband mapping, as the illuminated deployment and competitive shortcomings could result in progressive (and costly) consumer-focused regulatory policies.

Policies that might result in increased competition.

Clark blogs that last week he finally launched BroadbandCensus.com, a website built under a Creative Commons License aimed at making broadband availability information easily accessible to everyone. Limited at this juncture, Clark is looking for feedback from users to make his penetration mapping system more accurate.

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mikenolan7
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Torrance, CA

Broadband

If Martin ever runs for office, he should only be allowed to count one vote per zip code.

Rob
In Deo speramus
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Re: Broadband

said by mikenolan7 See Profile :

If Martin ever runs for office, he should only be allowed to count one vote per zip code.
Martin isn't going to run for office. He's creating his comfortable, high paying job at one of the large Telco's right here in America once his term of Commissoner is over.
nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast

good luck dude

not sure how successful this will be - the incumbents will fight tooth and nail to prevent official data from becoming public.

unless and until there is ever an FCC run by people that actually believe they have a responsibility to consumers rather than those they regulate, this information just won't see the light of day.
birdfeedr
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Warwick, RI
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Re: good luck dude

said by nasadude See Profile :

not sure how successful this will be - the incumbents will fight tooth and nail to prevent official data from becoming public.

unless and until there is ever an FCC run by people that actually believe they have a responsibility to consumers rather than those they regulate, this information just won't see the light of day.
That's what Clark is saying. FCC only releases numbers that are opaque, and don't say much about real broadband penetration. Yes, it's clear incumbents have paid lots of bucks lobbied hard to keep data hidden.

That's why he (Clark) launched a website to collect data on who provides, how fast, and how satisfied you are by zipcode.

FCC says there's 10 providers in my zipcode. I want to know who they are. Oh say, maybe I want to contact a competitor about availability. But I can only think of three, plus covad. So who is the FCC counting? And is it bogus info? And why is it so secretive?

Go to »www.broadbandcensus.com to add data from your neck of the woods.

FCC refuses to release the data, so he's trying to gather it himself.
Estragon

join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
·MV Communications,..

Re: good luck dude

said by birdfeedr See Profile :

Go to »www.broadbandcensus.com to add data from your neck of the woods.
I did. But the dumb ass site has no way for me to tell them that there are NO broadband options in my neck of the woods.
birdfeedr
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Re: good luck dude

said by Estragon See Profile :

But the dumb ass site has no way for me to tell them that there are NO broadband options in my neck of the woods.
Greenville, NH comes up 03048, and USPS says that is also Mason, NH.

BroadbandCensus.com reports the FCC says 8 providers, BroadbandCensus starts with 1: TimeWarner Cable.

Can you get cable? Can you get DSL? You could be too far away for that, but I guess FCC says it's available even if it isn't. Maybe they are including ISDN and satellite in their count.

All of this just points to the problems FCC causes by not having open data. It does protect the incumbents.

The problem with adding a No Broadband vote is that your definition and my definition of broadband may be different. There seems to be something wrong with the FCC's definition, so why not variation in what other people consider broadband/not broadband.

BroadbandCensus tries to get around that by just asking, what's available. If, after a period of time, there's no additional responses, it will be obvious that:

a) there are fewer than 8 broadband providers in 03048,
b) what's available doesn't really count as broadband in consumers minds, or
c) not enough people cared to respond with what they do have.

This data collection method may fail from lack of response. Which may put pressure on FCC to at least open up some of their data.

MrMoody
Under the black helicopters

join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
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Lies and Statistics

Our analysis indicates that more than 99% of the country's population lives in the more than 99% of Zip Codes where a provider reports having at least one high-speed service subscriber
Boy, talk about statistical doubletalk. 99% of people live in 99% of the zip codes in this country, what a surprise!
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The public is a poor business manager.

factchecker

@cox.net

Re: Lies and Statistics

Actually, that's not statistical doubletalk so much as it is just a really crappy way of stating results.

The truth is, zip code has nothing to do with population, so it is possible to select, for example, 10% of US zip codes and the total population for those zip codes would total less than 10% of the US population. As you do select more zip codes, you will get more population, obviously.
JSRoman
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Callahan, FL

Call me simple.

But couldn't some not for profit just create a google map mashup with that information? Just have folks go to their site and enter some information and get a pretty accurate reading on broadband areas. Would take some time and lots of advertising but I would think it would be pretty accurate.
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MrMoody
Under the black helicopters

join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC

Re: Call me simple.

They key (and tough part) would be to get people who have NO broadband available to report their location.

This is a good idea, though.
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Syian

join:2007-12-20
Gwinn, MI
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Re: Call me simple.

said by MrMoody See Profile :

They key (and tough part) would be to get people who have NO broadband available to report their location.

This is a good idea, though.
wouldn't the places where there are no broadband options show up as empty spots on the map? or at least very spare spots?
which, in turn, would give us that same information that we're looking for?

though, if this idea (which is what i like to call and "Epic Win" idea) were done, you would have to allow some way to also note how many different providers there were available at that location too... to allow a good visualization of what exactly the actual competitive status of the area is.
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MrMoody
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Re: Call me simple.

said by Syian See Profile :

wouldn't the places where there are no broadband options show up as empty spots on the map? or at least very spare spots?
which, in turn, would give us that same information that we're looking for?
Sort of, but an empty spot wouldn't prove unavailability there, nor give any indication of how many (if any) people live there.
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xsiddalx

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Chicago, IL
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said by JSRoman See Profile :

But couldn't some not for profit just create a google map mashup with that information? Just have folks go to their site and enter some information and get a pretty accurate reading on broadband areas. Would take some time and lots of advertising but I would think it would be pretty accurate.
Good idea.

Better, validate via speedtest that isn't subsidized.

Nothing is infallible.

The prob is that it takes user participation...most of us "just don't care" - 60% according to the latest voting polls. The business model of telephone and cable and probably cellular is that the bulk of customers don't switch. It's simple enough.

Why would the 60% care enough to show they are broadband connected if they are otherwise happy?
SilverSurfer

join:2007-08-19

This is a joke, right

The FCC makes heckuva job Brownie and that entire department seem competent, engaged and aware.

Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

The FCC's definition of Broadband


Commissoner's Idea of Broad Band.
The problem is the Martin's and the FCC idea of what broadband is, is different from the rest of us.
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xsiddalx

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Chicago, IL
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Re: The FCC's definition of Broadband

said by Transmaster See Profile :

The problem is the Martin's and the FCC idea of what broadband is, is different from the rest of us.
The good part is that our gov agrees (sort of the same argument as the crackberry).

Then again, our Gov is only interested when it effects them... (voters or personal).

Martin can certainly be whipped around, but won't likely happen for numerous reasons
mikenolan7
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join:2005-06-07
Torrance, CA

How Wired

They should just ask the spammers. They have us mapped out pretty well.
SlyLoK

join:2007-10-19
Sugar Grove, VA

Re: How Wired

I am a little confused here.. I went to the website that is linked to see what is offered in my area. The FCC says I have 5 providers and the 2 that the site found were Cox and Time Warner.. But neither of those provide any service here. It is Comcast , Adelphia and Charter ( I cant get service from any of them ).

Little confused is all. I will check Cox and Time Warners website to make sure.
Aframe
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join:2008-01-30
Uvalde, TX

Re: How Wired

I also went to the site and it tell me I have 9 broadband providers but lists 0 providers. The only thing I have available is Satellite and it does not let me add Hughesnet to the system. hmmm...
xsiddalx

join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
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Time to call your reps

said by SlyLoK See Profile :

I am a little confused here.. I went to the website that is linked to see what is offered in my area. The FCC says I have 5 providers and the 2 that the site found were Cox and Time Warner.. But neither of those provide any service here. It is Comcast , Adelphia and Charter ( I cant get service from any of them ).

Little confused is all. I will check Cox and Time Warners website to make sure.
You might want to call your president, senator, congressman...

Heck, toss in your mayor and governer and whoever else might interested for a vote. Most of us don't care enough, but if we did it might make a difference.

FCC's competition is currently a joke. If Chicago only has a few/two choices if lucky, what does everywhere else look like? Competition at the few businesses in the downtown district don't really count as competition,,,

rcdailey
Dragoonfly
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Rialto, CA
Do you think spammers care whether you have broadband or dialup? All they care about is whether you have an e-mail address.
mikenolan7
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join:2005-06-07
Torrance, CA

Re: How Wired

They care when they are looking for addresses to spam from. Check out how many major ISP's are on spam blacklists.
jebba2005

join:2005-01-13
Portland, ME

GWI not on the list.

GWI is not on the list. Says I have 10 providers.
Lets see...
GWI, Verizon, Sprint, Time Warner, ATT, satellite, ...
Would they count Speak Easy, Covad.??

danza_
Premium
join:2002-08-23
San Jose, CA

I'm surprised...

they didn't try and boast having 100% broadband coverage with the use of satellite.

jhawk44

join:2006-10-19
USA

Re: I'm surprised...

They did. Look at their maps :P
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

no RCN

Broadbandcensus.com is missing way 100s/1000s of providers. No RCN for example.
xsiddalx

join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
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Re: no RCN

said by patcat88 See Profile :

Broadbandcensus.com is missing way 100s/1000s of providers. No RCN for example.
Why not just visit BBR?

It seems to be a decent indicator.

Chicago has NO or little competition anymore.

BBR seems to have all the ISPs that I could find.

Other than T, Comcast or Satellite...you have a couple of reseller choices via T and Covad. RCN was in business here for awhile. The WISPs all look like scam artists...just a hunch.

Sorta makes me wish the dial up days, seven providers at least in this market, maybe more expensive in total, but at least a choce. IMO, we get less for more bandwidth at higher price. Not sure higher bandwidth really matters..played my favorite games on line on dial up last year and felt the same as broadband.

CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County

LOL - I can't partake in the census...

as they don't list the CLEC I have DSL thru... LOL
Drew Clark

join:2008-02-07

Coming Soon to BroadbandCensus.com... 1,527 Carriers

One of the comments that I have been getting here at »BroadbandCensus.com, loud and clear from my e-mail, and from the comments here, is the necessity of being able to include _all_ carriers, and not just the big Bell and big Cable providers.

Please rest assured that this is coming very soon. We will be adding the list of all 1,527 carriers that, according to the Federal Communications Commission, provide broadband to at least one person, in at least one ZIP code, within the U.S. The list of the top 16 providers is, of course, clearly inadequate to conduct the Broadband Census.

Thanks for bearing with us during this beta phase! And please keep the comments coming to me. Feel free to e-mail me: drew at broadbandcensus.com

-Drew Clark
»BroadbandCensus.com
jdjbuffalo

join:2004-01-17
Denver, CO

Re: Coming Soon to BroadbandCensus.com... 1,527 Carriers

You should also add an option that says "Dial-up" and "No Broadband".

Also, I like the idea of a speed test to verify that the information that is provided is accurate.

Mr Kentucky

@alltel.net

Questionable..

The site said I have 7 Broadband options available to me. As far as I know I have only 2. At least only 2 that advertise..

*sighs*

Of course the current definition of Broadband by the Fed Gov, is well different from what my perception of Broadband is. So their in could lay the problem. I forget what the feds definition of "Broadband" is, but from what I recall it was no 1Mbps down..
Drew Clark

join:2008-02-07

Update: Now, 1,527 Carriers Available at BroadbandCensus.com

Today, the »BroadbandCensus.com has added a collection of the 1,527 carriers that the Federal Communications Commission says are providing broadband in the United States. If you don't see your carrier when you Take the Broadband Census at »broadbandcensus.com/census/form, please use the e-mail link to tell us who is missing!

Keep the comments and suggestions coming! E-mail me: drew at broadbandcensus.com

-Drew Clark
»BroadbandCensus.com
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