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| Re: untrue said by BBC454  :
... have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!
The bellcos only lower their prices where they absolutely have to or are forced to by law. When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.
And with Packet8 and Vonage over a cable line, the evil telcos may have to drop the price of that bandwidth-challenged voice line too. Good times are coming!
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The bellcos only lower their prices where they absolutely have to or are forced to by law. When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.
I'm not sure what century you're living in, but the last I checked, 128Kbps ISDN is NOT DSL. From the prices I've seen, I haven't ever seen a 2 channel ISDN line costing more than $80-100 per month either. $180?
This is a moot point anyways- has it ever occurred to you that the Bells are trying to encourage customers to change FROM ISDN to newer technologies like DSL by making price such a large factor? This is why parts for a 1990 vehicle are so expensive to buy. Auto manufacturers are trying to encourage people to simply BUY A NEW CAR!
This isn't to be able to gouge consumers.
"Gee... lower prices... speed tiers... extra items and options... must be a monopolistic attempt to gouge customers- they're only doing it to run everyone out of business that doesn't want to compete... then the price will be $8 million per HOUR! Just wait!"
Right... just keep complaining about how unfair it is that you can't complain anymore.
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The bellcos only lower their prices where they absolutely have to or are forced to by law. When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.
I'm not sure what century you're living in, but the last I checked, 128Kbps ISDN is NOT DSL. From the prices I've seen, I haven't ever seen a 2 channel ISDN line costing more than $80-100 per month either. $180?
Unbelievable isn't it!
269-468-xxxx There is the exchange, pick a number!
said by boogie74 :
This is a moot point anyways- has it ever occurred to you that the Bells are trying to encourage customers to change FROM ISDN to newer technologies like DSL by making price such a large factor? This is why parts for a 1990 vehicle are so expensive to buy. Auto manufacturers are trying to encourage people to simply BUY A NEW CAR!
Has it ever occurred to you that SBC doesn't offer DSL in our area? The ISDN-car is the only model available from Coloma's Model-T phone exchange.
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When Comcast completes the HSI upgrade in our area, it will be interesting to see if SBC will still want $180/mo for a 128kb ISDN line.
We have had Comcast HSI for over a year now and Verizon still wants that much for ISDN.
I gave up on the telegraph companies. They still insist on wanting to sell me 100 year old technology when I don't want it. They could have retained me as a customer if they had bothered to provide the services I wanted, but they didn't... oh well.
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| ISDN pricing has a lot to do with old tariff laws on the books (at least in america). thats why ISDN was totally passed over for the consumer market. thats also why IDSL (ISDN over DSL) 144/144 is so expensive.
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| Re: untrue said by dvd536 :
ISDN pricing has a lot to do with old tariff laws on the books (at least in america). thats why ISDN was totally passed over for the consumer market. thats also why IDSL (ISDN over DSL) 144/144 is so expensive.
So the big bad government forced the telcos to overinflate the price of ISDN?
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| Re: untrue This is whats funny-------> This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl)) have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!
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| Sure, too bad they require bundled crappy overpriced POTS service to get it. And SBC and Verizon are wasting no time trying to get new price hikes on POTS through to make up for these "gifts".
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| Re: untrue (sniff sniff) would you like a tissue??? Heaven forbid a company bundles a product that they have every right to bundle. grow up, if you want dsl that bad without dial tone, buy a dslam, register as a CLEC, buy a dry pair and supply your own damn dsl and quit crying!!!!! | |
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Corona, CA | Re: untrue Yep, just don't claim that they're cutting prices when they aren't. Telco shills, gotta love their revisionist history. | |
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prove that they are not!!!!
SBC's fine print. »www02.sbc.com/DSL_new/content/0,···&RI=&RD=
*Offer requires a one-year term agreement. After the expiration of this term agreement, the then-current month-to-month or applicable term price will apply. The regular monthly price for the service, modem charge and activation fee of $50.00 will appear on the first bill along with any corresponding and offsetting credits. Offer is available for a limited period of time and is subject to change without notice. Early termination fee of $200 applies if service is cancelled before expiration of term.
You should probably bother looking up the answer before you ask the question. You'll save yourself these types of embarrassment.
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Saint Peters, MO | Re: untrue You proved me correct, they dropped the price for a 1 year term. Thank you. | |
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| Re: untrue LOL! Way to spin guy. So I guess with your logic, Comcast cut their rates for a 6 month term by over 50% to just $19.95.
You shills just crack me up.
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| Re: untrue what spin, the price used to be $50 a month, they dropped it to $30, that is decreasing the price what don't you understand??? YOU claimed
"Yep, just don't claim that they're cutting prices when they aren't."
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| Re: untrue Keep diggin'. The price still is $50 unless you sign a contract with bundled POTS service (running the price up another $15 minimally) and after the 12 month intro price it goes back to the $50 month-to-month price (plus the price of the POTS). And if you should move, or need to cancel service...ding ding ding, $200 penalty.
Again, with your brilliance, Comcast magically cut their rates by over 50%. LMAO.
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| said by BBC454 :
This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl)) have said that the ILEC's will not lower their prices because they are evil. Someone please HELP!! The sky is falling!!!!
Nice garbage there. Lower price but slower speed? Big whoop.
This is what happens in areas where there is competition.... try looking at the big picture for once, instead of wearing your Telco issued Blinders.
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WRONG
chk sbc
lower prices and higher speeds, if you pay more then the current price you can call and get your price lowered and get a free modem. Also, this offer is in all areas, competition or not. NOW who is wearing the blinders ,or are you just an out right liar. Just because you say it does not make it true. KrK i will allow you a brief moment to remove your foot from your mouth and have a slice of humble pie.
BOW DOWN O STUPID ONE!!!!!
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Wrong. Lower prices... on new lower-speed tiers. Some lower prices on introductory offers, that then go back up to full rate. BIG WHOOP. | |
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| What are you talking about??? I have said recently that DSL prices will approach 0, and it still won't matter. DSL is dead no matter what the prices are. RBOCs are evil; they are STUPID. They won't ever beat cable until they make it available. Maybe you missed my post where I said that there are only 3 problems with DSL:
1. Availability
2. Availability
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| Re: untrue Hehe....How true! Want DSL? Move to an area that has it or wait til it's serviced in your area. DSL providers have only had the last 7-8 years to be able to build up their networks, cable companies have had at least twice that. Plus Cable hasn't been in the ground for anywhere near the time that phone lines have been in the ground. Give cable lines an extra 25 or so years on their age and see if they still hold up like new cable. | |
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| Re: untrue said by JakCrow :
Huh. Last time I checked, the only lower prices are for the first year, then prices go back up to "normal". Funny that most people can't see past 12 months.
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This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl))
Does that make you Big Turkey? Otherwise know as 2smart4hisowngood?
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Corona, CA | Re: Monster? Verizon has the same problem with their ordering system misreporting who can get service. | |
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| Re: Me no go DSL till..... said by Julio :
until DSL ISP offer a minimum of 2Mbit down and 384KB/s for a price of $41.95 or lower i aint leaving my cable service.
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| Linksys router not working with SBC DSL I am having problems getting my Linksys BEFSR41 (4 Port) router to work with SBC DSL (Speedware 5100 modem). I successfully installed the modem and it's accompanying software.
After checking that I had access to the internet (yes, very fast) I used the CD provided (by Linksys) and followed the instructions for using the router with a DSL modem. At the point where you check the router to make sure the settings are correct (using PPPoE, username, password) everything looked correct. The router installation softwares next step took me to the Linksys registration page. At this point my internet connection ceased to function.
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Morganton, NC | Re: Linksys router not working with SBC DSL Your post will probably get more response if you post in the linksys forum »Linksys
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| said by jscally :
I am having problems getting my Linksys BEFSR41 (4 Port) router to work with SBC DSL (Speedware 5100 modem). I successfully installed the modem and it's accompanying software.
After checking that I had access to the internet (yes, very fast) I used the CD provided (by Linksys) and followed the instructions for using the router with a DSL modem. At the point where you check the router to make sure the settings are correct (using PPPoE, username, password) everything looked correct. The router installation softwares next step took me to the Linksys registration page. At this point my internet connection ceased to function.
I followed the power cycling instructions from Linksys to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I have the same router and dsl modem.
I don't have any problems with it.
Did you reset the Dsl modem after you hooked it up to the router?
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join:2001-05-18
Chicago, IL
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I used to have ATT cable they used to raise their rates every 6 months, their the worst company ever.
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USA | Re: drop Comcast Well we could do that if we had a choice. I have only once choice and that is Comcast. DSL is not available in my area and probably will never be. I live 1500 Ft from the Co... | |
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dvd536
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| Re: drop Comcast said by Cougar311 :
Well we could do that if we had a choice. I have only once choice and that is Comcast. DSL is not available in my area and probably will never be. I live 1500 Ft from the Co...
1500 feet is VERY CLOSE in terms of DSL. perhaps thats a typo and you meant 15000 (15k feet)???
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Morganton, NC
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Cable internet was tried on the municipally owned system, but it failed miserably. The suits who had the power to decide how to implement broadband were totally un informed on any technical issues, and failed to seek any information from parties who were not involved in the process. The only information provided to the suits was from the employees of the cable system, and the companies bidding for the contract.
Failure resulted due to a number or reasons:
1. It was a one way system, dialup was necessary for upload.
2. It was priced at $49.95, just like DSL.
3. It was under publicized and improperly marketed, little newspaper or radio advertising, no mailouts (not even bill inserts), only telemarketing was done.
4. The office employees of the cable system had no information about the service, no pricing, not even a telephone number for customers to contact if they wanted the service. The response when I asked about it was that I would have to wait for a telephone sales rep to call me, because they were calling all cable subscribers over a 30 day period.
At the end of the initial contract with the city, one year later, the contractor pulled out without requesting a renewal. Grapevine information said they had less than ten subscribers. That may be an unfounded rumor, but that is the story I have heard from several sources.
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| Re: No cable competition here I believe I read this story somewhere.
So Bellsouth has you stuck at ADSL 256 upload only while the rest of ADSL world can host games? Interesting
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| Re: No cable competition here said by Juke Box :
I believe I read this story somewhere.
So Bellsouth has you stuck at ADSL 256 upload only while the rest of ADSL world can host games? Interesting
Most DSL's upload is 128kbps unless you are springing for more than $100/mo to get better upload rates.
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| Re: SBC 1) Your $99 deal will go up to $179, and 2) You must live very near a CO because hardly anyone can get those speeds.... but congrats anyway.
If SBC hadn't blocked them, I'd of had DSL with those speeds down and 1.5 up for about $60 back in 1997.
I love SBC. They are so awesome. They rule. I love giving them tons of money, for minimal services. Ah!
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J D McDorce
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Westland, MI | Re: SBC Where are you getting the information that the $99 deal is going up to $179? In the Ameritech region, the non-promotional rate for this package is $139.95. A year from now, it may be higher or may be lower. | |
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