Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
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the U.S. consumer have when the knuckle_dragging, dancing_w/Jesus, change the subject from the truth crowd jams all sensible circuits by ramping up the signal to noise ratio with BS when proof is put before their very eyes?
We get what we deserve -- and we're f*cked, folks. |
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Gunslinger03
join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA | What chance do
you have of getting over your envy of successful capitalists and backing up your statements with some facts instead of emotions? |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Probably about the same chance you have of not being an industry apologist and getting into the consumer advocacy business? |
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Titus Pullo
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said by Gunslinger03  :you have of getting over your envy of successful capitalists and backing up your statements with some facts instead of emotions? All the facts one could want are right there in the topic article and its links.
You prove my point in spades - Thanks! |
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Al Cohol
@coxfiber.net
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Actually, advocating the free market versus paying for a service you don't want at the point of a gun IS consumer advocacy.
I fail to understand how you can claim to be a consumer advocate when you spout using force to pay for a government-run service.
Municipal (read: government) broadband is funded by taxation. Taxation is taking money from someone by force (also known as theft). The free market runs on voluntary fees.
Nothing is more consumer friendly than the free market. Government is not reason, it is force. |
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Gunslinger03
join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA | reply to Minister
You think the government is a consumer advocacy group? And I am not an "industry apologist," I am a capitalist. If you freely exchange money for goods or service that you find unacceptable then you are a sucker. |
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Gunslinger03
join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA | reply to Titus Pullo
What a
TOOL. |
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Titus Pullo
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| said by Gunslinger03 :TOOL. And just how does this address the article's points, its links, or my opinion?
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Titus Pullo
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Re: What chance do
said by Gunslinger03 :You think the government is a consumer advocacy group? And I am not an "industry apologist," I am a capitalist. If you freely exchange money for goods or service that you find unacceptable then you are a sucker. Yes, one of the roles of our system of government is consumer protection. I even think there is a (shudder) government run agency with that very name! Go figure how a good capitalist doesn't know his own government all that well ... sigh.
You see, the problem isn't so much capitalism, it's when morons run the store that IS capitalism! Any system of government has an intrinsic ability to suck; ours just happens to be so wide open to the excesses of greed that it has become irresistible to f*ck people for a buck!
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lyls
@tele.dk
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Titus Pullo
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Re: What a
i think its his way of saying "you win" cause i sure hope noone can take him seriously after that  |
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Gunslinger03
join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA | reply to Titus Pullo
At the very same level yours did. |
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Gunslinger03
join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA
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Re: What chance do
And how good a job does our government do protecting the consumer? The FDA, SEC, etc., do a terrible job. Yet the politicians realize you are a sucker and address everything with thier vote-buying retoric. And you clearly take the bait--hook, line, and sinker. |
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Al Cohol
@coxfiber.net
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What's really unnerving is the fact that someone from the home of Thomas Jefferson could support socialist agendas.
I don't mean that as a swipe at you, but please understand that government is NOT your friend. Socialism doesn't work. Capitalism and freedom does. I'm sure that you might not understand what true freedom has to do with broadband services, but it is relevant here.
This isn't an issue of whether or not broadband access should be provided to rural areas or not. It's an issue of whether or not its ok to force someone to pay for a service that they might not necessarily utilize. That is what WILL happen if government does it.
The best, cheapest, and most efficient method is to allow companies who have a vested interest in providing you, the consumer, with the service to provide it. Government will not do it efficiently. The most corrupt group of people in this world are in government. You think cronyism is bad in the corporate world, try looking at government.
If government provides it, we get screwed. Don't believe the hype that government is your friend. It isn't, hasn't been, or ever will be. |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
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said by Gunslinger03 :And how good a job does our government do protecting the consumer? The FDA, SEC, etc., do a terrible job. Yet the politicians realize you are a sucker and address everything with thier vote-buying retoric. And you clearly take the bait--hook, line, and sinker. Three quick points:
1). You've shown you don't know a lot about what you're opining on, so you ask new questions, branching away from the original. No one can take such a discussion seriously.
2). You accuse someone that mistrusts government more than you'll ever know of being a shill (how you can't read those tea leaves is beyond me). This tells me you don't carefully read posts or the articles they follow.
3). I find confronting endless logical fallacies in debate boring.
Oh geez, there it is AGAIN! I think it's time to turn the IM alerter off; the blinking red flag is starting to remind me of a stuck turn signal -- I think you're driving around in circles 
NO SOUP FOR YOU! 
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Titus Pullo
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So sorry you're "unnerved," but you're creating your own problems. Does anyone here read the topic article that starts the thread anymore? That's where my comments began -- the sidetracked discourse came later.
The industry is completely out of control. Look at today's profit reports and ask how they cut worker benefits, bust unions, bitch about this regulation and this cost and that, and yet we slide down the world scale of broadband penetration. All I personally see is my monthly bill going up and with BS for reasons. I don't see deployment costs as a problem when profits for Comcast quadruple in one year -- profit, not income.
I don't trust ANY government farther than I could throw it, and the fact is that our govt is so enmeshed with corporations that you can't tell where one stops and the other begins. Hence, my "we're F'd" statement. The consumer has become a bitch to big business, and this could only happen with a complicit government.
And -- from the home of Jefferson -- capitalism can only work within the framework a true democracy. So, again: We're F'd. 
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Minister
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Does anyone here read the topic article that starts the thread anymore?
No.
These freek market zealots see "muni" and they immediately start their pre-written speech about how capitalism will save the planet.
Same people are unable to EVER admit corporations could be in error. Same people are often small or mid-sized business owners whose only interest in life is in lower taxes (greed), increased profits (greed) or the welfare of their incumbent employer and pension plan (greed).
Greed to me isn't a policy. It's what absolutely drives these people's arguments. |
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Gunslinger03
join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA
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1) You have contributed nothing that is worthwhile to this entire thread. You were orginally called out for being jealous and subsequently ended up butt-hurt. So I should not have wasted my time even replying to you in the first place.
2) Like I have said to many others in the muni flock, if you already "mistrust the government" then you would be a sucker to entrust them with a broadband network. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
3) Basic economics is not endless logical fallacy. Endless logical fallacy would encompass your emotional posts. Give me some facts to support your opinions.
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Al Cohol
@coxfiber.net
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It's really nice of you to try to take a stab at me by saying I'm greedy, yet I'm not the one wanting to steal from people in order to have broadband access that you're too lazy and/or cheap to purchase for yourself, and that since you lack the balls to steal it yourself, you have to get the government to do it for you. |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
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said by Gunslinger03 :You're a funny guy!  "Called out?" Oh me ... I see you're down to the muddy stuff; that's where I call it quits -- the conversation is usually long over once the that starts, and was probably never worth the effort. 2) Like I have said to many others in the muni flock, if you already "mistrust the government" then you would be a sucker to entrust them with a broadband network. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.I never mentioned the word 'muni', and it's the 9th. item in the topic article's list! Why not try reading the items in the list again (though I really doubt you read it the first time). The gist seems to be more that the industry is FUBAR, not the muni issue. 3) Basic economics is not endless logical fallacy. Endless logical fallacy would encompass your emotional posts. Give me some facts to support your opinions.I would bet that there are a few fallacies in your assumptions on "basic economics." Would you agree that (according to your grasp of our economic system) that Land, labor, capital, and enterprise are the four main factors of production? This was presented as fact in my high school social science class and again later in a college economics course. It continues to be touted to this day. Is it a fallacy? I think it is. Tell us why you think it is or is not pure econ_doublespeak (BS) -- if you care to argue real economics. When you have digested that, read the below link for information on one particular type of government that looks more and more like ours every day: »www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htmHave a great day! You too!
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lyls
@tele.dk
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you do realize countries in europe are socialist to some extent? and they work fine WITHOUT having to constantly resort to wars its just about quality of life... of course pure socialism doesnt work but its a combination instead |
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